Rational Discussion of Controversial Topics


TatteredColours 19 June 2015 10:19 PM

It is true that people in more progressive societies are still persecuted for voicing unpopular opinions, if you use the word "persecute" less exclusively than I. The difference though as that these people are usually of a much higher profile than the average man. The way I see it, those who lose their job or their source of income lose it primarily because their employer or their business partner doesn't want to be associated with the unpopular opinion in the public eye, not because they're too offended by the opinion to look past it. This is a whole 'nother field of discussion, the influence of the public eye, and I feel it may be too off topic, so I'll move on to your question.

I could indeed stay friends with someone who advocates for opinions I disagree with, because these are the people I can learn the most from. The only ideologies I cannot look past are those of absolute intolerance or hate. Such ideologies are irrational, regardless of whom they loathe, because they fundamentally shut down any potential pathways to even consider alternative points of view. I, therefore, do not "hate" any position that doesn't itself already take root in hatred.

That being said, I do have some friends and family who are homophobic. The thing though is that while they believe homosexuality is wrong, they do not actively "advocate" against it and even themselves have friends who aren't entirely heterosexual. A key phrase in my last post:

For the most part, one's most major philosophical and political opinions aren't at the forefront of their person

These people are more than their one intolerant opinion, and recognize that homosexuals are similarly greater than their sexuality. They do not actively protest or in any way attempt to prevent the advancement of LGBT rights.

In short:

1. I do not hate ideologies that do not themselves hate. ... read more


melian 20 June 2015 07:47 AM

if you use the word "persecute" less exclusively than I

Words certainly can mean different things to different people. To me, “persecution” is a continuum rather than a binary. On the far end of the spectrum, people might be killed for going against the current (e.g., abandoning Islam in Pakistan). In less dramatic cases, they might be fired from their jobs, denied advancement or simply become social pariahs. I don’t think, though, that such treatment is restricted to high profile cases. I personally knew people who had to hide their political opinions from their colleagues (in fact, I have to admit doing it myself at some points).

I like your principles, but note that they can be subject to different interpretations.
They do not actively protest or in any way attempt to prevent the advancement of LGBT rights.

One might consider voting for an anti-LGBT political candidate as preventing the advancement of LGBT rights.
I do not hate ideologies that do not themselves hate.

I do not know a popular political ideology of which hatred is not an integral part. Even the mainstream conservatism and liberalism are full of hate towards their opponents (you can easily verify this by reading the comment section of every major news website).

By the way, it is generally unnecessary to threaten people with serious penalties in order to enforce conformity.