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Dahlen 2 May 2015 12:52 PM
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The option to edit my posts would be nice. I occasionally change my mind on phrasing and formatting after I click "submit".

Also, there's a problem with bullet list indentation. The bullet isn't fully contained into the text box.


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admin 2 May 2015 03:50 PM
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"The option to edit my posts would be nice. I occasionally change my mind on phrasing and formatting after I click "submit"."

The problem is that after editing all previous ratings for the post become irrelevant.


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Dahlen 3 May 2015 01:28 PM
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That's not true for any website with a rating system that I use. Most edits do not modify the central meaning of the message, instead being about something minor like typos or additions to the text. Everybody is aware that people might quote their messages in their own posts just as they might make an edit, and the edit system is basically never egregiously abused. There are really lots of upsides and no plausible downsides.

(Mostly unrelated: I didn't try it out, but it seems to me that one can rate one's own posts. Why? And why do I see a significantly low probability rating for my own posts?)

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Dahlen 30 April 2015 09:19 AM
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  • Maybe some people find the limit generous enough, but to me 10,000 characters per article is too limiting. I just previewed a draft of an article I meant to post and it's 15k characters long already.

  • The buttons in the upper menu bar cannot be right-clicked and opened in a new window/tab, at least in Firefox.

  • Some quibbles regarding the web design of the site; it doesn't look minimalistic so much as low-skill. Unfortunately I'm not a web designer, so I can't do much more than make mockups in Photoshop to illustrate what I mean and what sort of improvements I would make.


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    admin 30 April 2015 12:25 PM
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    "Maybe some people find the limit generous enough, but to me 10,000 characters per article is too limiting."

    Changed to 40,000.

    "The buttons in the upper menu bar cannot be right-clicked and opened in a new window/tab, at least in Firefox."

    Fixed.



    Thank you for your comment.


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    ChristianKl 8 May 2015 12:33 PM
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    I think mockups are enough to talk about how the website should look like. If you have a specific suggestion, make a mockup.

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    Fwiffo 4 May 2015 02:20 PM
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    I have found limits on communication lenght generally be a good thing on expressed thought quality.

    Unrestricted length is good for easily sharing what you have in your mind but in order to have productive and communicative content content specially tailored that says things where the inessentials are dropped away is essential to keep everyone have enough energy to actually engage to every participation.

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    ChristianKl 8 May 2015 12:37 PM
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    In what kind of contexts have you seen formally induced length restrictions to improve content?
    Twitter doesn't seem to me like the place of deep discussion.

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    strangeattracto 6 May 2015 11:50 PM
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    But is the goal to create tailored content, or to have a discussion and meeting of minds? Sometimes the things that seem like inessentials to be dropped away by the writer would be clues to their assumptions and worldview to the people reading the comment, who want to engage in discussion.

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    Dahlen 28 May 2015 07:45 AM
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    Empty comment here. So this was why a while back the comment count said 5 comments while my eyes would only see four in the main thread. How many fingers am I holding up, Winston?

    How does the site manage to output this?


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    Jiro 12 May 2015 10:40 AM
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    Also, replies do not show dates on them. We need to be able to see what is relatively new.


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    Fwiffo 16 May 2015 04:11 PM
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    Stating explictly what those needs are would be good. If issues are meant to be kept eternal when they are said should not matter. Is it okay to keep a 2 week pause between replies or are threads expected to get daily responces?

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    Jiro 18 May 2015 08:51 AM
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    Users have several different purposes for that type of information. Not putting them in unless it is possible to articulate a specific, universal, reason for them is unhelpful, and also subject to arguing that each individual reason isn't valid.

    Pretty much every other forum on the net for anything displays the date of the comment. This alone should be a reason to include it unless you have a *very* good reason not to that you're *very* certain of.

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    Dahlen 19 May 2015 11:04 AM
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    How do I know whether I'm a populare or an optimate according to the rating system?


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    admin 19 May 2015 12:51 PM
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    For each user, the system has two metrics which essentially answer the following questions:

    1) What faction (optimates or populares) rates the user’s posts higher?

    2) What faction’s posts are rated higher by the user?

    For all users except one (who is very close to the middle on both metrics) the answers to both questions are the same (though quantitative difference between two parameters can vary a lot from person to person). Therefore almost all users can find whether they are populares or optimates by pressing the ”impact factors” button and checking how their comments are rated by each faction.


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    Fwiffo 19 May 2015 02:48 PM
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    In order for that to work others must have unambigious faction. If I have two persons that are of ambigious faction does them voting for each other increase rating in which faction? Would the same faction lines be recovered if the "order of evaluation" would be reset or altered?

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    ChristianKl 1 May 2015 01:12 PM
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    I don't see any point in a character limit. Sometimes substantial arguments need space. If we don't want superficial discussion then there no reason to limit the available space.

    If someone dislikes long posts the recommendation system can show them less long posts.


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    FrameBenignly 1 May 2015 07:17 PM
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    Yeah, I just had to split my comment in two and edit it down a little to get around the 1500 character limit. Particularly because of the very imprecise nature of the first few questions, it's hard to write a good, concise answer that's only 1500 characters long.

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    Fwiffo 4 May 2015 02:25 PM
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    My experience has been that this is not fake difficulty but actually focuses ones attention to the real challenge.

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    ChristianKl 1 May 2015 12:29 PM
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    I don't see the point in separating debates and articles.

    A good debate doesn't start with a vague question but with a precise question.

    The Stackexchange network succeeded in building website with high quality by setting quality standards for questions. All the questions in the email failed Stackexchange quality standards because of being to vague.


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    Dahlen 1 June 2015 11:31 AM
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    This seems to be an inherited feature from the LessWrong division between Main and Discussion. As it appears to me, the main distinction seems to be that Main has a blog-format and Discussion a forum-format -- with the exception that both have blog-like nesting of comments rather than forum-like chronological threading. In the Omnilibrium implementation, articles don't even show up as in Main, with the title + some text above the cut; here, it's just the titles, like on forums.

    An alternative classification could be by topic category (Economics, Ideology, Social Issues etc.); of course, there's the problem that, if we had a General category, it would encompass most of the posts, because it's rare for a topic to fit neatly into one and just one category. Implementing tags for this purpose would be more flexible; however, that might bring its own problems.

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    Toggle 2 May 2015 10:35 AM
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    Is Stackexchange a reasonable comparison? The goal of this website is not to produce a knowledge database, since the political debates involved resist clear consensus solutions. As I understand it, we're mostly trying to figure out what 'rationalist political debate' looks like.

    In politics, a person's stance in a particular case (for example, how do we respond to riots in Baltimore?) is typically a consequence of their standing response to wider, more nebulous issues (can race relations be modeled as a one-dimensional axis of social oppression?). So going straight for the fuzzy questions isn't obviously wrong the way it would be on Stackexchange.

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    ChristianKl 5 May 2015 11:29 AM
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    I don't think that political debates by definition resist clear consensus solutions. The idea that there are no right or wrong answers to political question is toxic.

    That's bad mindset to have when to facilitate political discussion. Not every debate ends in consensus but trying to find areas of agreement is a healthy goal when having political debates.

    At the moment where opinion are too vague to know where agreements and disagreements are possible, people get lost on tribal fighting.

    Neither "how do we respond to riots in Baltimore?" nor "can race relations be modeled as a one-dimensional axis of social oppression?" is a inherently fuzzy.

    The fuzzy equivalent to "how do we respond to riots in Baltimore?" is "how do we respond to riots".

    Both questions you proposed are better than "how do we respond to riots".

    How do we respond to riots in Egpyt, riots in ... read more


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    strangeattracto 6 May 2015 11:46 PM
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    Right now, it seems like the format of the site is good at capturing a snapshot of a bunch of short answers to the question. However, the impression I have is that the goal of this site is to encourage discussion. So, I think some changes to the user interface may encourage more discussing. I'm not sure exactly what those changes ought to be. In a face-to-face conversation, you can get feedback from the person you are talking to and adjust what you say accordingly. It would be nice to have more back-and-forth about an issue. People have different life experiences and assumptions and those matter in these types of discussions.

    Also, I wish the site seemed more friendly. I'm not sure what to do to accomplish that, but I suspect some kind of user interface changes would help. So, that's both feedback of an impression I had and a request: please make the site friendlier.


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    Jiro 12 May 2015 10:38 AM
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    This needs an option to show replies to something, nested far enough to show all replies. Having to click whenever the replies are nested below a certain level is very inconvenient. It's even more inconvenient because of the fact that doing so opens a page containing only the reply, rather than replacing the "View Replies" with the replies. Of course, doing the latter requires a lot more work programming it, but it's a bad idea to skimp on user interface.


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    admin 13 May 2015 11:10 AM
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    An option to read all comments in a thread has been just added (here is an example). Tell me whether it's convenient enough or you would prefer something different.

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    Jiro 13 May 2015 09:16 PM
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    Your example is better than what we have now (it still has too much blank aread between comments but that's a side issue), however, I can't figure out where that option is located.

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    Jiro 28 June 2015 08:44 PM
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    Looking at the fixes to the site, I see some things have improved, but there are still problems. To start with, there's still far too much white space. Because of the cumulative effect of many minor design decisions, there's too much white space vertically (measure the distance from the end of a post to the start of the next post, and then compare it to something similar on LW), and text has a fixed horizontal width, so stretching your browser just produces massive whitespace columns on the left and right (a problem that many other sites have too, including LW).

    The biggest problem I see, however, is that the "read more" threshhold is ridiculously low. For instance, in this section, it seems like half the posts have "read more". This makes the option to see all the comments useless--every time you do it you have to click "read more" dozens of times. I suggest using the same threshhold as on LW.


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    admin 30 June 2015 01:25 PM
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    The biggest problem I see, however, is that the "read more" threshhold is ridiculously low.

    Fixed. The threshold has been tripled.


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    Jiro 2 July 2015 08:26 AM
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    The threshhold in "My Posts" still seems to be extremely low.

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    antat 1 May 2015 04:25 PM
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    The lack of threading is driving me nuts. I don't like that I've got to drill down to view replies and click through to reply. And to view previous comments while I'm replying, I have to click back? That's very unsatisfying.


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    FrameBenignly 1 May 2015 07:23 PM
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    The first time I visited the site, I didn't even notice the replies link.

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    admin 2 May 2015 04:40 AM
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    "I don't like that I've got to drill down to view replies and click through to reply."

    You can view replies to your posts directly by using the link on the "Main Page" (right below the menu bar).

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    ChristianKl 5 May 2015 06:51 PM
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    Sort of. You still need to click on "Read more" to see the full comment.
    It takes mouse clicks.

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    antat 1 May 2015 04:28 PM
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    And the number next to "replies" only reflects the next level of reply, not the whole thread. It would be more helpful to see how many replies are "below" regardless of depth.


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    FrameBenignly 27 September 2015 07:16 PM
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    links in my comments aren't working

    I just get a blank white space in place of my linked text


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    admin 28 September 2015 08:39 AM
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    Unlike LW, Omnilibirum uses html format for creating links. Could this be the problem?

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    FrameBenignly 28 September 2015 08:09 PM
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    No, the links were in html format, so a Greg. This worked fine for new posts; just not for comments.

    Looks like this link

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    ChristianKl 6 May 2015 07:39 AM
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    How about adding the ability to tag posts?

    A post might be tagged as:
    "Well researched"
    "Hostile tone"

    Those tags could be displayed on the right of the post and in addition to voting on a 1 to 5 scale a user could vote whether he agrees or disagrees with a tag.


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    Fwiffo 7 May 2015 03:36 PM
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    The choice on what aspects of posts to tag would be an important moderation decision. It would also be nice if there were not 2 slightly different tags for essentially the same thing. Additionally the algortyhms that predict the score might not lend their predictive power similarly to tags. There is also the issue that on tagging a person might tag only a couple relevant aspects while with score once a post is scored its totally scored (ie while there are low scores there are no half-scored posts).

    There is also the issue that is adds to the work of readings posts althought tags might be more straigthforwards to give rathen than a holistic score. And even if there is work the value could very well be worth the effort.

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    ChristianKl 7 May 2015 03:41 PM
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    Algorithms can grow over time to get better. I don't think the first instance of the algorithm has to take the tags into account for the sorting of posts.

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    ChristianKl 11 May 2015 06:05 AM
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    For some reason the forum made a post by me on http://www.omnilibrium.com/topic.php?id=57 a double post. Unfortunately there no way to delete the second post. There should be.
    I think the LW solultion to deletion should be implemented.

    LW allows I click withdrawing of a post that results in strikethrough. Afterwards a user can delete a post when he reloads the page and the post has no comment.


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    Jiro 21 August 2015 11:56 AM
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    Another problem: it is very difficult to reply to an article in a way which leaves the article on screen, so you can see it while you're writing the reply. If you just click "Post Comment", the article disappears from the screen to be replaced by the reply box. It doesn't open the reply box underneath the article. You can't open "Post Comment" in a new window to leave the article behind. Nor can you even click on the article title and reopen the article in a new window, so you can post a comment in the current window.

    I realize, of course, that it is harder to program it so that clicking "Post Comment" opens a box under the article rather than replacing the whole screen. But that's a reason why it was a bad idea to roll your own board software in the first place. It's still a deficiency.


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    admin 5 September 2015 01:24 PM
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    An option to open a reply box in a new window (by right-clicking “Post Comment”) has been added.

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    Jiro 27 October 2015 11:25 AM
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    When you click on View Replies, the replies are shown without dates on them.


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    Jiro 12 May 2015 10:43 AM
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    Also, there needs to be an option "completely ignore recommendations". Any automated system like that can fail; the user needs to have a way to bypass it when he doesn't trust it.


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    admin 13 May 2015 11:13 AM
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    There is an option of sorting comments by date instead (the selection menu is above the top comment).

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    Jiro 13 May 2015 09:10 PM
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    There is an option to sort comments *by* date, but not an option to actually *display* the date.

    Also, "Show/Recommended" and "Show/Recent" are misleading terms; they can be easily be interpreted as "show only the recommended posts" or "show only the recent posts", rather than "sort by recommendations" and "sort by how recent the post is". You'd be better off replacing the word "Show" with "Sort by" and change "Recent" to "Date".

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    Fwiffo 16 May 2015 04:14 PM
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    Keeping the usage mandatory means people will complain when it doesn't work instead of ignoring it. To my understanding the scoring method is pretty much one of the main reasons the site exists (instead of similar discussion taking place elsewhere)

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    Jiro 28 June 2015 08:47 PM
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    Also, no way to edit your posts. LW lets you edit your posts, with no time limit, and it doesn't seem to be abused.


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    ChristianKl 14 August 2015 09:18 AM
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    Today I wanted to start a new debate and good the error:
    All users are limited to posting 7 new debates per week.

    Sorry for the incovenience.


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    admin 14 August 2015 10:10 AM
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    My apologies. The problem has been fixed.

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    VoiceOfRa 3 May 2015 10:43 PM
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    How are the impact factors calculated? In particular, how does the system determine whether someone agrees/disagrees with my position, and/or leans left/right?


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    admin 4 May 2015 11:25 AM
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    Whether people lean left or right is mostly determined based on how they rate comments. Agreement/disagreement is determined based on topics where answers are separated in several groups (e.g., "yes"/"no"/"other").

    We still need more data to calculate these factors.




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    ChristianKl 6 May 2015 07:53 AM
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    I think that showing avatar makes other people appear more human and likely increase the chances that people are nice to each other. I would integrate pictures from Gravatar.


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    Fwiffo 8 May 2015 02:11 PM
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    Avatars draw attention to the author away from content which is a downside. It's also very flaglike and eases tribal-like thinking.

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    ChristianKl 6 May 2015 05:42 AM
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    It would be nice to be able to navigate the page via the keyboard.
    The up and down keys could allow going up and down among posts that answer the same post normally while the right key goes to replies and the left key goes to the parent post.

    The number keys 1-5 could allow for fast voting.


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    DanielLC 4 May 2015 08:24 PM
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    I'm not very good at judging stuff, so I haven't been using the rating system. Since all of the replies are unrated, it keeps telling me about all of them, and I don't have way of seeing just the unread ones.


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    admin 5 May 2015 10:33 AM
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    "I'm not very good at judging stuff"


    You do not have to judge comments on an absolute objective scale (trying to do that would indeed be time consuming). It should be relatively simple – if when you read it you feel that you would like to read more similar comments in the future, give it 4 or 5 stars. Don’t like it – 1 or 2 stars.


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    DanielLC 5 May 2015 12:01 PM
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    I'd prefer to not have to judge them at all. Do you need everyone on here to judge comments?

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    Fwiffo 6 May 2015 02:20 AM
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    That is two criteria one for the upper part and one for the low numbers. What if I read a post that I don't like that I would like to read more of in the future? I would imagine those kinds of posts would be important to change my beliefs.

    I kinda skippped or didn't seriously stop to think what I am basing my votes on. This might be relevant in that if somebodies start voting wrong like extreme tribal affinities or in a conscoius attempt to try to drive down a posts visibility then there migth be need to refer what voting is supposed to be. This isn't unique to here but I have always found it as a extreme vulnerability that the score is seen as a major feature yet it's totally exposed for an arbitrary amount of clueless users come to spoil it. It depends on a tremendous good will that a significant fraction of the users don't maluse it.

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    is4junk 12 October 2015 05:35 PM
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    When I write a comment there is a helpful 'preview' button and an 'allowed html tags' reference.

    But when I write a 'debate' post - no help is given.

    Do people write there posts in an editor before submitting? Which one is recommended? Does chrome have one built in?


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    VoiceOfRa 3 March 2016 08:47 PM
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    How was the list of blogs in the blogroll determined and how do we propose additions?


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    admin 5 March 2016 06:13 AM
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    The list was chosen based mostly on the background of Omnilibrium members. There are currently no set rules for making additions to the list, but all members can post links to the blog articles in the “Links” section. If several articles from the same blog prove popular with both Optimate and Populares members we’ll consider adding it to the blogroll.

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    Fwiffo 4 May 2015 06:22 PM
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    After prolonged use I find the questionmark beside the percentage really annoying especailly that it is clickable. It intuits to me that it would show some kind of breakdown of the subscores that the score consists off but it always shows the same standard text. It could very well be a mouse over tooltip hint instead of a separate page/pop-up. While it could be an okay element in a otherwise full and noisy it being in such a minimalistic setting irks me.


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    ChristianKl 6 May 2015 07:51 AM
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    For SEO purposes an Url like http://www.omnilibrium.com/topic.php?id=42 is bad.
    Urls should contain the discussion/article title.


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    strangeattracto 6 May 2015 11:48 PM
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    Also, since you have a limited number of URLs using the number system, if you switch to a different system, you can redirect their links using apache mod rewrite or something similar, so that the links don't break.

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    Fwiffo 8 May 2015 02:13 PM
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    Are posts supposed to be targeted to readers that are not forum users? Why is search engine optimization important?

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    ChristianKl 9 May 2015 06:18 AM
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    A forum needs growth to be successful. That means new people have to discover the forum.
    Besides sharing on social media search engine are a primary way for people to find new content.

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    ChristianKl 13 May 2015 09:31 AM
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    I have rated all the comments that were recommended. Now it shows "The recommender system found 9 comments that you may find interesting." on the start page but doesn't list any comments if I click on the link.


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    admin 13 May 2015 11:00 AM
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    Fixed.

    Thank you for pointing this out.

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    ChristianKl 19 May 2015 04:41 AM
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    At the moment this website greats me with: "There is one unrated reply to your comment (3 new)."

    It seems to me like a post isn't new when I read it and gave ti a rating.


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    ChristianKl 6 May 2015 05:39 AM
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    I would prefer to have a way to show average votes that a post gets to see how strongly other people approve of the post.


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    Fwiffo 7 May 2015 03:38 PM
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    You are assuming the score tells of approval.

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    DonaldMcIntyre 1 May 2015 12:19 PM
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    How do I add a link to text? Thx!


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    admin 1 May 2015 12:38 PM
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    You need to use html tags. For example, to create a link to Omnilibrium

    you type

    <a href="http://www.omnilibrium.com/"> Omnilibrium </a >

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    Fwiffo 7 July 2015 02:48 AM
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    The ratings for your own posts have vanished. While they were around I sometimes pitted two posts of mine against each other as one could have a lower percentage as another. While there are probably good reasons to hide it for your own posts I feel like now I can't detect posts that are downvoted by everyone. While I feel I should not have reason to detect posts voted down by one section only I am not sure about posts that are downvoted by everyone.

    There is offcourse a danger that optimising for high opvote makes posts that pleasing rather than communicate authentic views. However I have reason to believe I would not dectect particularly well when I am communicating authentic views in a desctructive manner.


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    admin 7 July 2015 05:45 AM
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    Until your comment, all the feedback we got on this feature was negative which is why it was eventually removed.

    Please note that the estimated probabilities are not very good proxies for upvotes. If a user who rates the post happens to be anticorrelated with you in his voting patterns, then his upvote would reduce the estimated probability for you.


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    Fwiffo 7 July 2015 11:22 AM
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    While the feature isn't probably going to come back there might need to be another mechanic that picks up the slab it carried before. If the only feedback are supposed to be the impact factors that I think is too general. Something per post feedback is needed. While you can always read the replies it is otherwise like posting into a wall.

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    Fwiffo 16 May 2015 06:55 PM
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    An observation regarding psychological impact from the sites use.

    I became more aware in detail how others opinions differ from mine. While I in theory would like to discuss thoses kind of things in depth, the impression how deep rooted some of the beliefs are made me reevalaute that way more emotional and cognitive load would be required to successfully carry out a discussion that results into something that I care about (communication of views or making views more "potent", "informed" or "mature"). It made me slightly discontinue the sites use. While the points others raised didn't get replies from me (yet) they vex me. Not replying even with a low quality comment feels like conceding or leaving one hanging unconfortably in the air. Yet in order to get the discussion actually moving forward it needs to do things other than hit all the triggers for trouble. This has lead me to reply to some less vexing discussion while avoiding the most vexing ones. In theory this is a worrying behaviour pattern as it directs attention to where it is not needed.

    Lesswrong has some content about noticing when you are confused and on the importance of saying "oops" and such. However those refer more to epistemological feelings. I would suspect that opinion-speak would have similar kind of valuable principles but they are atleast not yet communally establihsed. I am guessing I am discovering how it feels to feel value-conflict and I don't know of good ways to approach it.


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    ChristianKl 17 May 2015 02:04 PM
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    Effective challenges of one's world view do usually come with cognitive dissonance. Is that what you are feeling?

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    Fwiffo 18 May 2015 05:55 PM
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    I think no but I am not totally sure.

    It feels like the stances that people actually hold are more nuanced and have more moving parts than I expected them to have. It also feel like the space of hypothese is expanded. That is I kinda associate locking down what is true as collectign evidence that favours some fact out of the possible facts. That is if you tell me that the die is an even number it conveys information and makes me have truer beliefs on what the dices number is. But this is like discovering that there are 24 addiotional sides to the dice. It doesn't as such convey information yet it's not irrelevant to the issue of having better beliefs.

    I am also reminded of how scientist could think that solving the issue whether particle or wave interpretaitons over quantum mechanics are better by making a test and see which one holds true. Prior to making the test you coudl ... read more


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    Fwiffo 4 May 2015 02:40 PM
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    On what was the choice of political leaning categories the site uses based on?

    Is it supposed to grow if/when the site grows?

    Were there any other candidates considered for it? Why are these leanings seen as meaningful distinctions?


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    admin 4 May 2015 06:58 PM
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    At the lowest approximation level, people preferences can be measured along one axis (which in political forums usually corresponds to “left” vs. “right”). With more data it would be possible to perform multidimensional analysis (“libertarian” vs “statist”, “highbrow” vs “lowbrow” etc.).

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    ChristianKl 5 May 2015 10:52 AM
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    Priming people to see themselves in a struggle of left vs. right seems to be a bad decision when one doesn't want tribal behavior.

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    Fwiffo 5 May 2015 02:34 AM
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    Is there any reason to believe that the measured affinity dimension would correspond to the "ordinary meaning" of the words? Can the automatic process accidentally swap the pole names (meaning that the measured right would actually correspond to the traditional left)?

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    Fwiffo 7 July 2015 03:24 AM
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    I have had funky website usage pattern that I wanted to move away from. I currently don't log in from the front page but use links sent in emails earlier. This method avoids me to inputting my password. Due to low password usage I have lost track of it. I would like to reset my password. However chaning ones password requires knowing the old one. Some sites offer an option of sending a randomly generated (temporary) password to email which you can use to change to a more proper one. I didn't find any such option.

    I would like to be able to again log in via the front page. Part of the reason the old method seems to be buggy in that it requires it be done twice to be effective.


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    admin 7 July 2015 05:22 AM
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    In general, a user who forgot his/her password can recover it by clicking "Log In" on the front page and then clicking "Forgot username or password?".

    Naturally, you can use the above link directly.



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    Fwiffo 7 July 2015 11:25 AM
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    I feel stupid, the website design is fine.

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    Fwiffo 18 July 2015 10:18 AM
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    There was a concern raised by user that the ability to block disruptive talk is not present on omnilibrium currently. (how one is supposed to link to individual posts?)

    Part of the uniqueness of LW is the communal moderating system by voting. However what omnilibrium currently has doesn't fullfill that same need as a method of limiter of visibility. In fact having non-partican score even makes it a goal to get upvotes from people that in general downvote you. This is a litle different where downvoted comments are supposed to not be fed. There is partial functionality that the recommendation system is likely to have a low percentage on potentially disruptive posts. Is the "hidden only from this voting group" the proper generalization of the LW style voting system to the omnilibrium multipolar system?

    I have also expressed concerns that there is little feedback on how your own posts perform. It is also unclear whether users that are not primary arguers should even chip in on allegations of severe enough breach of failure to reach rationality standards. This sounds potentially like a disaster recipe to pit people and alliances of people against each other. yet it would be super important that disruptive talk would give somekind of feedback atleast to its perpetrator. Yet there is danger in having "not rational enough" as a discussion stopper.

    I also don't like how it is difficult to distinguish disagreements from breach of conduct. So far I have inclined to believe this is one of those nasty properties of political talk. I would really hate it if moderation action would be a actual effective argument for actual political subject matter argumentation.


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    ChristianKl 23 July 2015 07:31 AM
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    I didn't call for moderation action. LW doesn't use moderation action to get rid of low quality content.

    I don't think that the non-partican score is good for behavior modification as it doesn't give feedback to individual posts.
    Furthermore if a lot of people make votes based on disagreement the value of the feedback get's diluted.

    It's not about a "LW style voting system" reddit uses the same voting system. It's about how the LW culture uses the system in practice.

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    Fwiffo 27 July 2015 07:54 AM
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    If it is not used to get rid of low quality content then what is its use?

    Instead of "LW style voting system" we can rephares it as "LW style voting culture".

    Do you agree that you claimed that my post would get downvoted on LW? What in it makes it get downvoted and do you think that the same post here should get downvoted for the same reasons?

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    Xerographica 3 May 2015 02:52 PM
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    Create a page where I can see content sorted by date created.


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    Fwiffo 4 May 2015 02:31 PM
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    What is the need this solution fullfills?

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    Xerographica 4 May 2015 05:49 PM
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    It allows me to quickly/easily/efficiently see all the new content that was created since my last visit.

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    Fwiffo 8 May 2015 02:30 PM
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    Debate have recently gotten categories. There seems to be some implications with them. Having a category "active" means that there is supposedly also "passive" topics. Is it wrong or discouraged to post on a passive topic? Are topic supposed to enter a phase of active participating and then be enter into "sleep mode". That is are topics time-bound or eternal?

    There is also a "Top" category. There is no explicit scoring of debates as such separate from their comments so how is this list formed? My first order questimation is that it is somehow generated from the comments. It could be that it is the average or the top-percentile of root comments. Or it could be some average or average with most lowest scores dropped of all comments. If comments viewing within a debate have also a "opposition" option why is this not included in which topics suggested to the user? Also are these scores "subjective" in that it scores those that vote like you higher or "objective" in that they are displayed the same for everyone? Subjective option has the down side that each side sees their "won" debates only and objective so that there is a race to "win" more debates to seem like the stronger side. Ranking as a whole also introduces the notion of "betterness".


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    admin 9 May 2015 05:23 AM
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    The categories are added just for the sake of users’ convenience and do not have any deep meaning.

    "Active" applies to topics that saw most activity in the last few days.

    “Top” applies to topics that received most comments since the opening of this website.

    If you or anyone else would prefer different or additional categories, please let me know.

    Is it wrong or discouraged to post on a passive topic?


    Not at all.


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    Dahlen 9 May 2015 02:03 PM
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    It would be better to divide topics into categories (Economics, History, etc. - the ones used in the Create a Debate form) which would then be paged, forum-like, according to recent activity. Hiding inactive topics, especially at the beginning of the site, except for the most active 5 or so, is a great way to ensure they remain inactive - out of sight, out of mind.

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    ChristianKl 9 May 2015 10:11 AM
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    I think it would make more sense to let users vote on whether the like topics to determine which topics are top than to rely on the quantity of comments.

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    Fwiffo 8 May 2015 02:33 PM
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    Derp, it seems the "top" options just list topics in order of amount of comments, which sidesteps a lot of the points I raised. Still it reads counterintuitively.

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    Fwiffo 8 May 2015 04:31 PM
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    Replying to your own post makes a post that doesn't count for the purposes of having "unrated posts" but is shown in the categoy of "unrated posts" viewable from following the link from the main page.

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    Xerographica 3 May 2015 02:50 PM
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    Facilitate micropayments


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    Fwiffo 4 May 2015 02:36 PM
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    Dangerous incentive for politicakl discussion. Politics is already in danger of preaching to the choir. Communicative and argumentative motives should take center stage. Having a pleasing based motive would be pretty bad. Despite the difference between a highly starred and a financially rewarded post isn't probably very contributive in the discussion sense. A highly starred one woudl be good enough while the difference between paid and non-paid would come into play only past "plenty good". For poltics the main challenge is to get out of the gutter.

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    Xerographica 4 May 2015 06:31 PM
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    It's a challenge to get out of the politics gutter? Not really. All you have to do is focus on economics. Can the optimal supply of threads be determined without knowing what the demand for threads is? If we can disregard the demand for threads... then can we also disregard the demand for fruit? If not, then why not?

    Why do you think command economies tend to fail?

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