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Is the free speech vs offending Muhammad a non-debate?

DonaldMcIntyre          7 May 2015 07:05 PM




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julia1 7 May 2015 07:27 PM
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That's not a well-posed question. Are you asking whether we are wiling to debate it? Or is it a non-debate because the answer is obvious? If so, which one is it?


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DonaldMcIntyre 7 May 2015 09:05 PM
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Unfortunately this system doesn't have a space below the OP to explain the topic like on LessWrong.

When I ask if it's a "non-debate" it's because both opinions answer different questions:

1. "It's wrong to offend Muhammad" answers a question like "Is it right or of good taste to offend someone else's religion?"

2. "To kill someone because of their free speech is wrong" answers a question like "Is it right to physically attack people just for their opinions, no matter how offensive?"

I think both opinions are right and that the national debate is dislocated.

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ChristianKl 8 May 2015 05:52 AM
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Unfortunately this system doesn't have a space below the OP to explain the topic like on LessWrong.

I agree that's unfortunate. While the system is broken it might make sense to use the article function and simply avoid the discussion function of this website.

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julia1 8 May 2015 05:52 AM
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Oh, so in the debate on freedom of speech you include the debate on freedom to kill - I didn't realize that. Then I guess these are two debates. How can it be OK to physically attack someone for verbal offense?

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DanielLC 8 May 2015 12:11 PM
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I don't think that being able to draw pictures of Muhammad is necessary for free speech, but other people do. It's a debate.


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melian 10 May 2015 08:43 AM
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I don’t think the concept of “free speech” should be taken literally as applying to speech only. Other methods of communicating information from person to person (sign language, photos, drawings etc.) should be included as well.

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DanielLC 10 May 2015 03:31 PM
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I take it to mean that the government doesn't try to restrict communication so as to create the illusion of opinions that do not exist. A picture of Muhammad isn't such a piece of communication.

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Fwiffo 8 May 2015 02:07 PM
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Do you think that drawing pictures is not speech or do you think that delineating Muhammed as off limits is not a limitation? If it is a limitation of speech how it can not be relevant to free speech?

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DanielLC 8 May 2015 03:55 PM
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I'm not sure it can be considered "peaceful protest". It may be more comparable to protesting against pro-lifers by having unprotected sex and getting an abortion. Or protesting against vegetarians by killing animals. You're doing something that you don't consider harmful. If you consider this "peaceful protest", then you'll also have to consider it peaceful protest when they do things that they think are fine but you don't.

I'm not in favor of banning images of Muhammad. We can't respect everyone's beliefs all the time. But I don't think this is a free speech issue. We don't automatically have the right to disrespect everyone's beliefs. In fact, the things we're not allowed to do are precisely because there are so many people that consider it wrong.

If you make it impossible for someone to show they don't like muslims, that's violating ... read more


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DonaldMcIntyre 7 May 2015 07:10 PM
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When responding about the Charlie Hebdo attacks Pope Francis said "if they offend my mother you would see a reaction".

Now when analyzing the Texas attempted attack on a Muhammad offensive drawing event there is a confrontation between the "to kill someone because of their free speech is wrong" and the "to express offensive speech against Muhammad is wrong".

My opinion is that they are both right and they are not debating the same thing!


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julia1 7 May 2015 07:26 PM
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What, the Pope was going to kill them?

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DonaldMcIntyre 7 May 2015 08:56 PM
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He basically criticized that Charlie Hebdo was being offensive with Islam. My point is that comments about being offensive or not and free speech rights are different conversations.

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