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Is NRx realistic in its claims, or biased towards cynicism, hate, and callousness?

Dahlen          9 May 2015 02:47 PM




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Dahlen 10 May 2015 11:08 AM
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Oh, I didn't realize that debate authors are public now, so you can no longer just plop a debate topic there and forget about paying child support. :)

I just phrased the debate in the way that sounded most natural to me, a non-reactionary; that, and the fact that there was not much room for even longer titles. The point is, are NRx factual claims realistic? Too cynical? Too idealistic and bleeding-heart? (Seriously?) Is their doom-and-gloom vision of modernity and its future a mere result of a good, honest look at naked reality, bereft of any distorting influence of degeneracy-tinted glasses and personal mild dislike for the groups it wants restored to their inferior historical status?

It's an important question for anyone who wants maximal accuracy. Generally people's opinions are biased by wishful thinking. Neoreaction is just the farthest thing from that (if you're not a rich white manly male). If they're right, I guess one just has to bite the bullet and find ways to cope with their own disillusionment. If they're not, and just biased by an equal and opposite drive... the search for truth merrily goes on, with new-found assurance that there might be no second-class citizens in utopia.


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VoiceOfRa 10 May 2015 12:38 PM
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> The point is, are NRx factual claims realistic?

Which claims do you have in mind? The claims about race and IQ aren't specifically NRx and are rather well supported by the evidence, both scientific and anecdotal.

Do you mean the claims about the cathedral and the nature of the US power structure?

> with new-found assurance that there might be no second-class citizens in utopia.

Now I wouldn't quite go that far. I mean the standard LW utopia more-or-less has humans becoming second class citizens to superhuman AI's and nobody seems too bothered by this.


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Dahlen 10 May 2015 02:37 PM
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I mean the claims that civilisation is inextricably linked to strong hierarchies of dominance; that the drive to dominance is itself good and admirable and manly and not anything near an impulse that one must resist - as long as it is superior-on-inferior; that it is in the best interests of society for women to have an inferior status to men and to be confined to the house, that they have a sort of "false consciousness" in regard to their own interests, that they have inherent childlike traits that make them not worth taking seriously; that the degree of patriarchal structure is the measure by which to evaluate the wholesomeness of the family and by extension the health of society; that the masses never know their best interests; the bleak picture of modernity and its future in general.

These are the things for which I cannot imagine any purely rational foundation, untainted by an ... read more


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ChristianKl 11 May 2015 07:18 AM
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On of the core problems of NRx thought is that it ignores corporation as political players.
Over the last 40 years income inequality rose. If that's Cthulhu swimming left, what's left?


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VoiceOfRa 10 May 2015 01:42 AM
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False alternative.


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Dahlen 10 May 2015 11:17 AM
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I knew I could count on you to not answer the central point of the question, despite being the only known reactionary on Omnilibrium so far; instead, just... reacting to something you found wrong with the question.

Could you please borrow some word count from Moldbug? Your full, honest input is needed here.

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VoiceOfRa 10 May 2015 12:23 PM
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Oh, I'm not a reactionary although I sympathize with some of their positions.


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