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What will the future of Liberland be?

ChristianKl          24 June 2015 06:03 AM


Liberland is the attempt to form a new country between Serbia and the Czech Republic. At the moment neither Serbia or the Czech Republic claims the land, which makes it terra nullius and subject to being claimed. Czech politician Vít Jedlička tries to do so.

Why doesn't Serbia claim it? Serbia considers the Danube river to be the official border between it and the Czech Republic.

Why doesn't the Czech Republic claim it? It's the only territory West of the Danube river that the Czech Republic doesn't claim. The Czech Republic claims territory to the East of Danube. Claiming the territory would mean to strengthen the idea that Danube is the official border between the two countries.

How do you think Liberland will evolve? Will it be squashed or will it become a proper country?





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melian 24 June 2015 08:51 AM
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For the moment I was afraid that while I was not paying attention a new Ribbentrop-Molotov pact has been concluded, with Serbia and the Czech Republic dividing Hungary and Slovakia between themselves. Then I’ve checked “Liberland” on Wikipedia and realized that we might still have a little time before the WWIII. ”Liberland” is located between Serbia and Croatia, not Serbia and the Czech Republic.

Speaking seriously, “Liberland” has no real chance. Similar projects in the past fell through due to unwillingness of libertarians to fight for their new "countries".


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ChristianKl 26 June 2015 12:49 PM
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I'm sorry for switching up the Czech Republic with Croatia.

There was no reason for Fiji to avoid occupying the Republic of Minerva.
In the case of Liberland there are reasons why the neighboring countries don't want to claim it's territory.

On the Croatian side it's also possible to wage legal defense in front of the EU court of human rights.

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melian 26 June 2015 01:33 PM
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The only reason I see for Croatia and Serbia not to claim the island explicitly is not to provoke another conflict between them. But that does not mean they would let a third party to have it (Croatia is in fact already blocking the area). Also, the EU has much stronger interest in killing this project than Fiji had at the time. If Liberland or any other such area in the middle of Europe is allowed real sovereignty, it could create no end of trouble for the EU (e.g., offering a military base to Russia or creating a new tax haven).

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Dahlen 26 June 2015 02:56 PM
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I thought it already got squashed, with the dude in charge of the project arrested for crossing the border into "his" country? Dunno, not up to date with the conundrum.

Especially now that the people who wanted to found Liberland drew attention to the area, I don't see why local states should allow that patch of land to remain terra nullius anymore. To hell with the Danube, leaving it as it is would only cause problems for them in the long term. There is no room on this Earth, a matter soon to extend to outer space, for settlements on unclaimed land, and it is not without sadness that I say this. The project has no chance. It's not even taken seriously enough for surrounding countries to bother demonstrating it has no chance. The moment it will get successful is the moment when it will be brought down with guns.

Unless and until the rethinking of the idea of national borders will become the pet ideology for the twenty-somethingth century, all such projects will fail, and I don't guarantee that they won't fail even after the fact. Out of all the ways of getting a sovereign off your back, secession of the homeland of a historical ethnic/linguistic/cultural minority, in the name of the right to self-determination, remains the best choice. Anything else would be a historical feat in organisation, coordination, and power bargaining.


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ChristianKl 27 June 2015 04:22 AM
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He got arrested but let go the day afterwards when he explained to them that they have no legal basis for doing so.

Croatina can legally ban people from crossing the Croation border from Liberland but it can't legally ban people from entering the territory from the Danube which is an international water way. At least it can't as long as it doesn't claim that land.
Croatian border are likely written down in it's constitution so, it's not trivial to simply change them.
Furthermore changing the border to include Liberland's territory delegitimizes the Croatian claim to land east of the Danube.

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